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  A big shift in the world is about to happen......

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i don't want to deceive anyone and i have to clarify a few things so i'm sorry this is going to be a lot more vague then you want.

  infact if you do not already realize or also feel something is about to happen as in the title, then move along, it will be a month or 2 before i update this.

  it's not my intention to annoy anybody, i am too uncomfortable to post any details because it's too new and i need to verify things, and i am also feeling responsible to give a subtle warning, that it might be something somebody needs to see.

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  This might be worth a try for some - just sayin'

  by AK - Jeff in

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  http://www.ffrf.org/news/debaptism-certificate/.

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  http://www.ffrf.org/news/debaptism-certificate/
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  Feel the Goddamned Love

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
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  my mil of 38 years - who has not spoken to me for the 9 years since i left her cult - died on sunday.. today, as a favor to my sil who has spoken to me very rarely, for the same reasons, over the same period of time, i was moving some personal items to her home from the nursing home.

  in this instance i guess it is ok to speak with me - if i have a strong back and a conveyance that aids her needs at the moment.. anyway, in the parking lot of the apartment complex where she lives, while we are moving in those items, guess who shows up?

  five or six of my old 'best friends'.

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  Yes Jerry, but 'kiss my ass' was waaaay down on the list of returns I had in mind.

  Jeff
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  Feel the Goddamned Love

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mil of 38 years - who has not spoken to me for the 9 years since i left her cult - died on sunday.. today, as a favor to my sil who has spoken to me very rarely, for the same reasons, over the same period of time, i was moving some personal items to her home from the nursing home.

  in this instance i guess it is ok to speak with me - if i have a strong back and a conveyance that aids her needs at the moment.. anyway, in the parking lot of the apartment complex where she lives, while we are moving in those items, guess who shows up?

  five or six of my old 'best friends'.

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  I must admit that my restraint in this matter was a direct result of my wife's presence, and she is still reeling from the loss of her mother. Confrontation was the last thing she needed, so I just pursed my lips and left.

  If she had not been there, they would have said nothing of course. I just find it so amazing that these people judge based on 'status' with a publishing company. If I had been a serial killer who 'studied' and accepted their version of truth, I would have been greeted as a 'brother'.

  It is so sad. Almost too sad to make one really mad at the poor deluded assholes.

  Jeff
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  Feel the Goddamned Love

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mil of 38 years - who has not spoken to me for the 9 years since i left her cult - died on sunday.. today, as a favor to my sil who has spoken to me very rarely, for the same reasons, over the same period of time, i was moving some personal items to her home from the nursing home.

  in this instance i guess it is ok to speak with me - if i have a strong back and a conveyance that aids her needs at the moment.. anyway, in the parking lot of the apartment complex where she lives, while we are moving in those items, guess who shows up?

  five or six of my old 'best friends'.

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  My MIL of 38 years - who has not spoken to me for the 9 years since I left her cult - died on Sunday.

  Today, as a favor to my SIL who has spoken to me very rarely, for the same reasons, over the same period of time, I was moving some personal items to her home from the nursing home. In this instance I guess it is ok to speak with me - if I have a strong back and a conveyance that aids her needs at the moment.

  Anyway, in the parking lot of the apartment complex where she lives, while we are moving in those items, guess who shows up? Five or six of my old 'best friends'. As we walk by toward my van, Jim [an elder whom I aided into the organization and was absolute best friends with for 20 years] waves and speaks a greeting to my wife but not to me. [She has been out exactly as long as I, just has not DA'd, because ironically she has been waiting for her mother to live out her natural life before so doing.]

  I wanted to flip off the bastards. WHO yells a greeting to a man's wife and ignores the husband as if he is not there?

  Paint me seething. The assholes.

  Jeff
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  How will GB react to 2nd Coming?

  by irondork in

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  teacher, we want to see a sign from you.

  - mathew 12:38. .

  the governing body went out and took counsel against him that they might destroy him.

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  No worries. The historical Jesus didn't prob even say those words to begin with. And if he did, it was because he was delusional.

  But the framers of the Christian cult played it very well to entrap those who needed another life instead of this one to be complete. Of course the 2nd coming will never happen, so the GB will not have to worry. They likely know it anyway, since they are just running a business [like all religion].

  Jeff
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  The logical fallacy of using Pascall's Wager to defend God!

  by AK - Jeff in

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  his arguments are succinct against such foolish conclusion that we have nothing to lose by worshipping god if unsure, and is defeated in it's very premise.. http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/wager.html.

  this paragraph is key to the defeat, and powerful:.

  the first and most serious objection to the wager should be immediately obvious to anyone who sees it.

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  And reverse reason might even make it advantageous in the 'Wager' to be an atheist:

  Of course, all this is assuming that God will punish nonbelief or wrong belief with Hell, and here lies the second objection to Pascal's Wager: it takes as granted something that cannot be taken as granted, namely the nature of God. How can anyone know for sure that believers will be rewarded and nonbelievers punished? It is easy to conceive of different varieties of deities under which alternative scenarios would hold. For example, what if the universalists are right and God does not condemn anyone, but forgives everyone and lets them into Heaven anyway? In that case, atheists have nothing to lose. Conversely, some theists believe in a god so cruel and sadistic that he will condemn the vast majority of all people who have ever lived to endless, eternal torture. It's not that great a leap beyond this to imagine a god who just condemns everyone , and again the theist is no better off than the atheist in this case. We could even imagine a god who doesn't want us to believe in him, who has deliberately set up the world to make his existence appear unlikely, and who will actually punish those who disregarded the evidence in the name of faith and reward those who fearlessly followed where reason led them. (Richard Carrier's brilliant The End of Pascal's Wager describes such a scenario.) In this case, Pascal's Wager is reversed and the scales swing the other way; now atheism is the position that stands to gain the most.
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  The logical fallacy of using Pascall's Wager to defend God!

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  his arguments are succinct against such foolish conclusion that we have nothing to lose by worshipping god if unsure, and is defeated in it's very premise.. http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/wager.html.

  this paragraph is key to the defeat, and powerful:.

  the first and most serious objection to the wager should be immediately obvious to anyone who sees it.

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  His arguments are succinct against such foolish conclusion that we have nothing to lose by worshipping god if unsure, and is defeated in it's very premise.

  http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/wager.html

  This paragraph is key to the defeat, and powerful:

  The first and most serious objection to the Wager should be immediately obvious to anyone who sees it. It argues for belief in a god, but it doesn't offer any advice on which god. There are hundreds, if not thousands - how can I tell which one is the right one? (" The Cosmic Shell Game " covers this topic in more detail.) Blaise Pascal was a Catholic and used the argument he concocted in favor of Catholicism, but today the Wager is most commonly used by evangelical Protestants. However, it can just as well be employed by members of other religions. Muslims can tell Christians that by worshipping Allah they may gain entry to a Paradise where they will be waited on for eternity by seventy-two dark-eyed virgins, whereas by rejecting him they run the risk of winding up in the Islamic Hell. Zoroastrianists might retort that Ahura Mazda is actually the one true deity, and those who believe in him and not Allah will get their heavenly reward, but those who reject him will be sent to a fiery damnation. The Hindus might interrupt and argue that the rewards for believing in Krishna are great and the dangers of rejecting him equally great. A Buddhist might gently correct all of them and point out that we can gain the bliss of Nirvana by following the Eightfold Path and practicing Zazen meditation, so why not try it - considering that the alternative is to be reborn as an animal, a hungry ghost or a damned soul? At this point the ancient Greeks might jump in, warning of the dire punishments waiting in Tartarus for those who reject the authority of Zeus. Meanwhile, while all this bickering goes on, the Nez Perce Indians sit off to the side smiling secretively, content in the knowledge that this world will end on the morning of the third day and we are living in the dreams of the second night, and that by believing this they stand to gain rewards none of the others could even imagine.
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  Who else, besides me?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  over the years on jwn i have often found myself hunting through posts of newcomers, hoping against hope i suppose, that the newbie would be one of my former friends in the local congregation down the street.. i just find it hard to imagine that not a soul among these people has taken the courage to investigate their religion and leave like my wife and i have done.. as the local 'active apostate', i also supposed that at any moment some of the 'brothers' would come covertly to my home, knock and say something like " i am out - please let's talk about it, why i left, why you left.

  but, none of the above has ever happened.

  i did come across a local former jw here, from another congregation, and we have become good friends over the past few years.

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  I was challenged by my ex-husband who was a moderator on this board when it was in its infancy.

  Do you mind mentioning his screen-name? Just curious.

  Jeff
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  Who else, besides me?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  over the years on jwn i have often found myself hunting through posts of newcomers, hoping against hope i suppose, that the newbie would be one of my former friends in the local congregation down the street.. i just find it hard to imagine that not a soul among these people has taken the courage to investigate their religion and leave like my wife and i have done.. as the local 'active apostate', i also supposed that at any moment some of the 'brothers' would come covertly to my home, knock and say something like " i am out - please let's talk about it, why i left, why you left.

  but, none of the above has ever happened.

  i did come across a local former jw here, from another congregation, and we have become good friends over the past few years.

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  In re-thinking the premise of this thread, and from some of the comments here:

  I think it is true that many people just leave and never do a moment's research on doctrine. etc. My sister left many years before I did - and she is like that. Though we have had many hours of discussion since I left, about MY reasons for leaving - her primary reason was far simpler - she was tired of the demands of the religion. Nothing more than that - no deep thought went into it for her, and she was satisfied just to leave. As far as I l know she has never even looked at this site or any other like it.

  Perhaps those who come to places like this are of a different sort of wiring. We need to confirm that we are not leaving the 'truth', only 'another religion'. Perhaps my expectation of others showing up at my door [or whereever] are rooted in what it took to shake me loose, confirm my exit. Those who just leave and never look back might feel no need to seek others of similar thinking.

  Jeff